By Robert Tutterow

“If the U.S. private sector does not step forward to develop a standards and conformance solution to a key national priority, then the U.S. government will meet that need with a regulation.”

This is a quote from the Standards Boost Business (SBB) campaign administered by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI). Go back to the mid 1980s, and a couple of the “forward thinkers” in the U.S. fire service stated that if the fire service did not get a grip on its health and safety issues, then the men and women who wear the long black robes would do it for us.

OSHA and NFPA

As discussed in previous columns, it could be that we have not done enough to address our health and safety issues. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is looking hard at emergency responders. Following the West Fertilizer explosion and fire in West, Texas, OSHA convened a meeting of stakeholders to address the need for health and safety standards for first responders. Two years after that meeting, the initiative is still alive. OSHA’s National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health (NACOSH), an emergency responder preparedness subcommittee, is laying out a draft program to eventually be sent to rule making. Based on the last meeting agenda from its Web site, it is known that it is looking at the following: “medical evaluation and fitness requirements, facility and equipment preparedness, vehicle preparedness and operation, preincident planning, emergency incident standard operating procedures, post-incident analysis, and program evaluation.”

So, where does the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) fit in with all of this? Members of the NFPA’s Fire Service Section Executive Board had the privilege of spending a couple of days at NFPA headquarters in Quincy, Massachusetts. We were afforded the opportunity to meet with multiple NFPA staff people, including vice presidents and President Jim Pauley. According to Ken Willette, the NFPA’s Responder Segment director, if NACOSH proceeds with this process, rule making at OSHA is probably five to seven years away. Of course, there is a chance it could never get to rule making, depending on the political “winds.” When asked if this is a threat or an opportunity for the NFPA, Pauley stated that he thinks it is an opportunity. He stated that, as it currently stands, NACOSH is citing several NFPA standards in its drafts. When asked about how OSHA rule making would be revised (this can take decades), he said the NFPA references were to the “current” revision to the applicable NFPA standard-i.e., the rule making would be automatically updated with each revision of an NFPA standard.

Fire Service Involvement

Our talk with Pauley was most interesting. He became president in July 2014. He said one thing that struck him as he “raised the hood” on the NFPA was the disconnect between the organization and the fire service. He had assumed that there was a very close relationship. By the way, it was clear that he is a huge fan and supporter of the fire service. Another statement he made that resonated was that he applauds the volume of consensus standards developed by the NFPA rather than regulatory standards.

Look back at the title of this column. There is little doubt that the U.S. fire service has, except for some limited involvement, ignored its own environment. As an advocate for the

By Robert Tutterow

“If the U.S. private sector does not step forward to develop a standards and conformance solution to a key national priority, then the U.S. government will meet that need with a regulation.”

This is a quote from the Standards Boost Business (SBB) campaign administered by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI). Go back to the mid 1980s, and a couple of the “forward thinkers” in the U.S. fire service stated that if the fire service did not get a grip on its health and safety issues, then the men and women who wear the long black robes would do it for us.

OSHA and NFPA

As discussed in previous columns, it could be that we have not done enough to address our health and safety issues. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is looking hard at emergency responders. Following the West Fertilizer explosion and fire in West, Texas, OSHA convened a meeting of stakeholders to address the need for health and safety standards for first responders. Two years after that meeting, the initiative is still alive. OSHA’s National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health (NACOSH), an emergency responder preparedness subcommittee, is laying out a draft program to eventually be sent to rule making. Based on the last meeting agenda from its Web site, it is known that it is looking at the following: “medical evaluation and fitness requirements, facility and equipment preparedness, vehicle preparedness and operation, preincident planning, emergency incident standard operating procedures, post-incident analysis, and program evaluation.”

So, where does the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) fit in with all of this? Members of the NFPA’s Fire Service Section Executive Board had the privilege of spending a couple of days at NFPA headquarters in Quincy, Massachusetts. We were afforded the opportunity to meet with multiple NFPA staff people, including vice presidents and President Jim Pauley. According to Ken Willette, the NFPA’s Responder Segment director, if NACOSH proceeds with this process, rule making at OSHA is probably five to seven years away. Of course, there is a chance it could never get to rule making, depending on the political “winds.” When asked if this is a threat or an opportunity for the NFPA, Pauley stated that he thinks it is an opportunity. He stated that, as it currently stands, NACOSH is citing several NFPA standards in its drafts. When asked about how OSHA rule making would be revised (this can take decades), he said the NFPA references were to the “current” revision to the applicable NFPA standard-i.e., the rule making would be automatically updated with each revision of an NFPA standard.

Fire Service Involvement

Our talk with Pauley was most interesting. He became president in July 2014. He said one thing that struck him as he “raised the hood” on the NFPA was the disconnect between the organization and the fire service. He had assumed that there was a very close relationship. By the way, it was clear that he is a huge fan and supporter of the fire service. Another statement he made that resonated was that he applauds the volume of consensus standards developed by the NFPA rather than regulatory standards.

Look back at the title of this column. There is little doubt that the U.S. fire service has, except for some limited involvement, ignored its own environment. As an advocate for the

By Bill Adams

A little-known and rarely addressed portion of the American fire truck market is the sale of used fire apparatus.

A fire department disposing of a used rig has the option of scrapping it for salvage, saving it as an antique, trading it in on a new apparatus purchase, donating it to a needy fire department, selling it to another fire department, selling it to a used fire truck dealer, or listing it with a broker. This article addresses the last two. If 1,800 used rigs with an average selling price of $40,000 are sold each year, that portion of the fire apparatus market could be worth well over $70 million. One industry expert considers both estimates quite low. The market is generally self-regulated, growing each year and competing with new apparatus manufacturers for sales.

1 A preowned 1996 KME 1,250/1,000 pumper that Command Fire Apparatus sold to the Lewisport (KY) Fire Department. (Photo courtesy of Glenn Usdin, Command Fire Apparatus.)

The Players

To provide an accurate market representation, I contacted various sized used apparatus dealers and brokers throughout the United States. Originally starting as regional sellers, many used apparatus vendors and brokers operate nationwide as well as internationally.

Mid-Atlantic States: Glenn Usdin, a used apparatus dealer, started Command Fire Apparatus in 1987. He employs 12 people in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and says, “We have a full mechanical and body repair facility specializing in lower-mileage, late-model units that are ready to go into service when delivered.”

Midwestern States: Jon’s Mid America Fire Apparatus sells both new (KME) and used apparatus, was started in 1974, and is headquartered in Rogersville, Missouri. Current owner Jim Keltner, employing 18 people in two locations, says, “We have a very modern shop with the ability to pump test up to three units at a time from our 28,000-gallon concrete test pit. We have access to and the ability to do any and all repairs or fabrication needed on any apparatus including remount, refurbishment, and retail-ready used trucks. Our trained technicians specialize only in fire trucks-not loose equipment; over-the-road trucks; or hats, boots, or bunker gear. We are fire truck people.”

Midwestern States: Started in 2008, Missouri Fire Apparatus of Grovespring, Missouri, is a used apparatus dealer that employs 10 people. Owner Greg Still says, “We offer major apparatus alterations including a program allowing a department to ‘build’ a truck on a used chassis. Our 16,000-square-foot repair and service facility, completed in 2015, offers complete apparatus refurbishing and has a 120-foot-long downdraft paint booth, a glass showroom and delivery bay for the final inspection and purchasing process, and a spacious conference room for apparatus design and contractual agreements.”

2 The Hecla (PA) Fire Department purchased this 1998 Spartan 1,50 Read more 327 0 Article rating: No rating Posted: Jul 1, 2016 Apparatus Purchasing: Used Fire Trucks, Part 1 By Bill Adams A little-known and rarely addressed portion of the American fire truck market is the sale of used fire apparatus. A fire department disposing of a used rig has the option of scrapping it for salvage, saving it as an antique, trading it in on a new apparatus purchase, donating it to a needy fire department, selling it to another fire department, selling it to a used fire truck dealer, or listing it with a broker. This article addresses the last two. If 1,800 used rigs with an average selling price of $40,000 are sold each year, that portion of the fire apparatus market could be worth well over $70 million. One industry expert considers both estimates quite low. The market is generally self-regulated, growing each year and competing with new apparatus manufacturers for sales. 1 A preowned 1996 KME 1,250/1,000 pumper that Command Fire Apparatus sold to the Lewisport (KY) Fire Department. (Photo courtesy of Glenn Usdin, Command Fire Apparatus.) The Players To provide an accurate market representation, I contacted various sized used apparatus dealers and brokers throughout the United States. Originally starting as regional sellers, many used apparatus vendors and brokers operate nationwide as well as internationally. Mid-Atlantic States: Glenn Usdin, a used apparatus dealer, started Command Fire Apparatus in 1987. He employs 12 people in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and says, “We have a full mechanical and body repair facility specializing in lower-mileage, late-model units that are ready to go into service when delivered.” Midwestern States: Jon’s Mid America Fire Apparatus sells both new (KME) and used apparatus, was started in 1974, and is headquartered in Rogersville, Missouri. Current owner Jim Keltner, employing 18 people in two locations, says, “We have a very modern shop with the ability to pump test up to three units at a time from our 28,000-gallon concrete test pit. We have access to and the ability to do any and all repairs or fabrication needed on any apparatus including remount, refurbishment, and retail-ready used trucks. Our trained technicians specialize only in fire trucks-not loose equipment; over-the-road trucks; or hats, boots, or bunker gear. We are fire truck people.” Midwestern States: Started in 2008, Missouri Fire Apparatus of Grovespring, Missouri, is a used apparatus dealer that employs 10 people. Owner Greg Still says, “We offer major apparatus alterations including a program allowing a department to ‘build’ a truck on a used chassis. Our 16,000-square-foot repair and service facility, completed in 2015, offers complete apparatus refurbishing and has a 120-foot-long downdraft paint booth, a glass showroom and delivery bay for the final inspection and purchasing process, and a spacious conference room for apparatus design and contractual agreements.” 2 The Hecla (PA) Fire Department purchased this 1998 Spartan 1,50 Read more 474 0 Article rating: No rating RSS FirstPrevious3976397739783979398039813982398339843985NextLast Theme picker Section Quick Links   Fire Mechanics Documents EVT Discussion Forum Fire Mechanic Photo Gallery Training & Testing 2019 Scholarship Logo Wear Store Upcoming Events Theme picker Sponsors Fire Mechanics Section Board Chair Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Chair Elliot Courage North Whatcom Fire & Rescue Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating Vice Chair Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Vice Chair Mike Smith  Pierce County Fire District #5 Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating Secretary Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Secretary Greg Bach South Snohomish County Fire & Rescue Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating Director #1 Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Director #1 Doug Jones South Kitsap Fire & Rescue Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating Director #2 Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Director #2 Paul Spencer  Fire Fleet Maintenance LLC Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating Director #3 Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Director #3 Jim Morris Mountain View Fire Department Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating Director #4 Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Director #4 Arnie Kuchta Clark County Fire District 6 Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating Director #6 Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Director #6 Brett Annear Kitsap County Fire District 18 Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating Director #5 Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Director #5 Jay Jacks Camano Island Fire & Rescue Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating Legislative Representative Posted: Oct 21, 2015 Legislative Representative TBD TBD Read more 3257 0 Article rating: No rating Immediate Past Chair Posted: Oct 20, 2015 Immediate Past Chair Brian Fortner Graham Fire & Rescue Read more 0 0 Article rating: No rating RSS Theme picker 2020 CAR SHOW Terms Of Use | Privacy Statement - Copyright 2024 by Washington Fire Chiefs Home Members About Us News Calendar Resources Documents Sections County Fire Chiefs FRWC WSAFM